Both science and common sense long ago concluded that severed limbs don't regenerate in human beings. Science can account for this and may some day be able to overcome it.
However, if one believes in miracles, it's an absolute contradiction to rule out the regeneration of a severed limb. That would be no more a miracle than the cancer cures that are claimed all the time.
Praying for a limb to grow back is something a little more tangible; it's easier to pray for something that has a reasonable possibility of happening, by chance or by work, rather than something that the Christians know won't happen.
The fact that no one prays for a severed limb to regrow is proof that underneath all the posturing and pretense of faith, some rationality has survived. People don't even dare to pray for the regrowth of a severed limb because they know it's impossible.
You hateful old bastard, are you still around?
ReplyDeleteOf course not, I died and went to heaven - haven't you heard?
ReplyDeleteRight on as usual, Corky. If God truly heals, why doesn't he heal amputees? Is he unable to? Does he not love amputees? Is it so they can learn and grow? Inquiring minds need to know!
ReplyDeleteThe first "comment", if you want to call it that, reminds me of a quote from Harry Truman: "People say I give 'em hell. I don't give 'em hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell!
The Skeptic said...
ReplyDelete>>The first "comment", if you want to call it that, reminds me of a quote from Harry Truman: "People say I give 'em hell. I don't give 'em hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell!<<
Isn't that what I do, and all of you think it is hell. So there is a mad scramble to delete or censor all my posts!
Anyway, God is able to raise the dead, so restoring the limbs of an amputee should be easy. Do you know any amputees that have asked God to restore his or her limbs? Or do they sit and hope that it will just happen?
Tom,
ReplyDeleteI agree with your logic but not your assertion. IF God were able to raise the dead, I agree, she certainly should be able to restore the limbs of an amputee. BUT ... there is no evidence of God ever doing either one.
So ... out of all the thousands of amputees in the world, don't you think even a single one is a good christian and has prayed for healing? Oh, I get it - it's the amputee's fault for not properly jumping through God's hoops. Right.
Tom said....
ReplyDelete>Do you know any amputees that have asked God to restore his or her limbs? <
Be the first to find out. Cut your penis off then pray to God for it to grow back. Its a matter of faith....
LOL. God only "heals" people with invisible ailments who can jump up from wheelchairs and dance for fifteen seconds before collapsing on some some charlatan's stage. The charlatan then compensates for this by claiming to have touched them and "slain them in the Holy Spirit."
DeleteAmputees: An Intro to Logic.
ReplyDeleteSymbolic Logic and the If-Then Conditional.
If P, THEN Q.
P -> Q
28 But IF I cast out devils by the Spirit of God (P), THEN the kingdom of God is come unto you. (Q)
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you (~Q).
Therefore, Christ is NOT casting out devils by the Spirit of God. (~P)
P -> Q
~Q
Therefore, ~P
VALID REASONING
His Apostles were temporarily under the same directive:
Luk 10: 9 And HEAL the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
INQUIRY: IF God should heal amputees today, THEN logically conclude that the Kingdom of God is among "us" "today"...
If you can not, then the claim that God should is invalid.
Don't have to go through all that - amputees weren't healed back then either.
ReplyDeleteChrist restored the ear that one of his disciples cut off his enemy, or had you forgotten?
ReplyDeleteThat's a story. What reason do you have to believe it happened? Do you think anything like that happens now? If so, when and where and how do you know? If not, why does it not happen now when supposedly it happened a couple of thousand years ago?
DeleteOf course, if you believe the 17th century peasant's witness of the "Miracle of Calada" (and why not, if you believe iron age scribes and gospel "records"?), then of course it has been done.
DeleteHow about this one, or should I say 80? Do we rank these as human successes, or Angels working through humans to produce miracles of limb replacement?
https://www.statnews.com/2016/08/23/double-arm-transplant/
No recent records exist of anyone miraculously curing Down's Syndrome through faith. Or successfully restoring missing body parts. Or bringing back the dead. Etc. God seems to have many categories of people he dislikes more than others. More shameful than the few charlatans who claim "to cure by faith" are their foolish adherents who collaborate in insisting such things happen. I am waiting for Pastor Joel Osteen's ratings to start sagging, and for him to then start "faith healing" in front of his stadiums full of people. I briefly enjoyed his cheerful religious pep talks about a huggable God, until they became so syrupy my breakfast would begin coming up.
DeleteJoel Osteen to my opinion is a FALSE prophet and so are most of these american power healer-stuff preachers with private airplanes :-(( Pls. have a look at sound lutherian german theology as one can easily drop the truth due to many (christadelphian) lies. Finding only Feline Gold so far does NOT mean there is genuine gold out somewhere.
DeleteMany of us here, including me, quit Christadelphia in part because we discovered that the Bible wasn't true. That makes arguing about which denomination interprets it better a bit like shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic.
DeleteBut back to the original article, do you think people should pray for healing of amputees? Would it be successful? Why or why not?
Jon, the Angels are way too busy "working behind the scenes", ensuring that the Christadelphian interpretation of prophecy is "unfolding before our eyes as expected", to be bothering with missing arms and legs this near to the imminent return of "the master".
DeleteMy question is, when they are resurrected for the purpose of the judgement, will their limbs be restored for this period of time, i mean just long enough for them to be condemned? I think they will, because The Christadelphians always refer to "standing" before the judgement seat, never to rolling up in a wheelchair, or having to be helped upright.
That never occurred to me, Joseph. But you are clearly quoting the Bible, so how could I possibly disagree with you? Except - I'm forgetting, did you check the Strong's Numbers for that?
DeleteHad an "aunt" through my stepfather who was a hunchback. Looked to me like it would be easy enough for someone to place their hands on her hump and make it flatten itself down. Never happened, at the faith healings she attended. Yet, too few of us question the evidence of our own eyes: for example, that at faith healings indeed no one regrows severed limbs. We see what we see, but it doesn't mean our brains question the things that should be inspiring doubts in our consciousness.
ReplyDeleteWe have Mennonite neighbors. On the surface, things look very lovely, and tourists come from near and far to take a peek at them. The tourists like the old timey living, the goats and cows, the beautifully tended farms. I noticed, however, over time, that all the women do is sit on buckets in vegetable gardens pulling weeds, or hang laundry, or cook, or pop out babies one after the other, and care for them. They are essentially slaves (not that the Mennonite men have easy lives either). It long ago began to occur to me that while visually pleasant, it all equates for Mennonite women to a life of servitude and bondage and obedience. And that isn't freedom, and it isn't, in reality, pretty at all.
What a horrible, nasty, mean-spirited bunch of people you are.
ReplyDeleteHow can it be "mean-spirited" to clearly understand what doesn`t happen in the case of severed limbs even if prayed for? For that matter, does anything else happen when prayed for? Do you think any of the 6 million of those taken to death camps during WW2 (and who perished) prayed for deliverance? I bet they did, and most of them were "God`s People".
DeleteIf we are a horrible, nasty, mean-spirited bunch of people, then since the only thing we have in common apart from that is that we were once Christadelphians, so being Christadelphians made us so. Ever stop to wonder why this site and all the other ex-cd sites even exist ?
DeleteNasty? For noticing inconsistencies where they appear? For doubting? For condemning those things that deserve to be condemned? You need to roll your mother over and use the correct hole tonight. It may help to clear your fevered mind.
DeleteHow's that for nasty?
Shirley, yeah, I don't think that's helpful.
DeleteBut I also read the comment thread after approving the Anonymous comment, and I really don't know what they're getting at.
It was just another generic out-of-the-blue assault on all of us who are huddled in here. It's so lovely, to be disemboweled by some little sect, and then to get revisited by some of them so they can spit on you some more.
ReplyDeleteBeen there, experienced that. At one funeral, I had an entire group of CDs turn their backs on me when I was mid-sentence, and walk away from me. They couldn't even behave decently at a funeral.
Unbelievable is now answered in my Review
ReplyDeleteIt proves a
Severed hand was recently stitched back!
Regards
Aleck
Do you have a link to that, Aleck?
DeleteI`m assuming, Aleck, that it wasn`t God or an angel that did the stitching.
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